Do we need a new EIN for our new nonprofit corporation?

Our homeschool group already has an EIN (Employer Identification Number), but we recently decided to work toward 501c3 status. We are now incorporated.
Do we need a new EIN or can we just change the name on the one we have?

-Kellie

The IRS, who issues EINs, makes it clear that you need a new EIN when you form a new nonprofit corporation.

You will be required to obtain a new EIN if any of the following statements are true.

  • A corporation receives a new charter from the secretary of state.

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You can get a new EIN online, but it’s helpful to look over the Form SS-4 so you know what questions will be asked.

Carol Topp, CPA

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How can we change the contact name on our EIN?

 

When your homeschool group applied for an Employer Identification Number with the IRS, you had to give a responsible party’s name and their Social Security Number. Now that person is stepping down from your homeschool board.

How do you change the responsible party’s name on your EIN? Carol Topp, CPA explains how in this short podcast (9.5 minutes).


In the podcast, I mentioned Money Management in a Homeschool Organization. It’s a guide for homeschool treasurers that you may find helpful.

Carol Topp, CPA

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How Do I Get a Tax Exempt Number?

How does a nonprofit get tax exempt number from the IRS? They don’t!

In this short podcast Carol Topp CPA explains tax ID numbers and the various state agencies that may assign tax numbers.

Listen to the podcast (9 1/2 minutes)

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You’re not finished with paperwork when you receive tax exemption from the IRS. Your state may have several required forms for you to file as well. Carol Topp, CPA can help your homeschool nonprofit understand what forms to file with your state.

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How to close down an EIN for a tax exempt organization

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Closing an EIN for a tax exempt organization is described at the IRS website: https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/canceling-an-ein-closing-your-account 

Information for Exempt Organizations

If you applied for an EIN for an exempt organization that:

(1) never applied for formal exemption,

(2) is not covered in a group ruling, or

(3) never filed an information return (Form 990, 990-EZ or 990-N),

send a letter requesting the closing of your account to:

Internal Revenue Service
Attn: EO Entity
Mail Stop 6273
Ogden, UT 84201

or you may fax it to (855) 214-7520.

State the reason you wish to close your account. If you have a copy of the EIN Assignment Notice that was issued when your EIN was assigned, you should include that when you write. Otherwise, be sure to include the complete legal name of the entity, the EIN, and the mailing address.

 

Read the 3 criteria listed above carefully. If your organization fits all of the criteria, then write a letter to the IRS and give the reason you are closing your EIN. Usually it is because the organization dissolved or ceased its operations or activities.

If you fail one of the criteria, the IRS has different instructions. https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/termination-of-an-exempt-organization.

You will have to file one more 990-N for the old organization and check “Yes” to the question “Has your organization terminated or gone out of business?” If you typically file the Form 990 or 990-EZ, than check the Terminated box in the header area on page 1.

Additionally, you will need to file a Schedule N, Liquidation, Termination, Dissolution, or Significant Disposition of Assets with your Form 990 or 990-EZ. If you file a 990-N, there is no Schedule N to file.

 

Carol Topp, CPA

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Can a homeschool group just get together without having to report to the IRS?

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Can a homeschool group just get together without having to report to the IRS?

Dorothy

 

Ddorothy,

Yes, a group of homeschool families can just gather together, but the group will be limited in their size and to dealing in cash only.

Very small homeschool groups are more like a play group or group of friends pooling their money to pay group expenses, like a field trip.

I compare it to a group of friends all going out to dinner. They each pitch in to pay the bill. These tiny groups do not file reports with the IRS. Very tiny homeschool groups can operate like this.

In this case, a group may not need an EIN or to open a checking account for the group, but they would be limited in size and limited to cash only. It’s usually when a group needs a checking account that they have dealings with the IRS, because they need an EIN to open a checking account.

I hope that helps,

Carol Topp, CPA

Best of: Checking accounts for homeschool organizations

checkbook07Here’s a collections of my best blog posts on checking accounts for homeschool organizations.

Start with this article about getting a identification number from the IRS before you open a checking account:

Getting an EIN from the IRS

Then read through these blog posts:

Checking accounts and EINs for homeschool groups
Will getting an EIN put us on the IRS radar?
EIN before or after incorporation?
Fraud in a homeschool group
Banker wants IRS letter to open a checking account

Cover Money Mgmt HS OrgYou’ll find more information on managing money in a homeschool organization in my book, Money Management in a Homeschool Organization: A Guide for Treasurers.

Carol Topp, CPA

A new nonprofit corporation. Do they need to reapply for 501c3 status?

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Hi Carol,

I have been listening to your podcasts. Our group is already a 501c3 registered charity with the IRS. Unfortunately, we registered with our state as an unincorporated association. We would like the limited liability of a non-profit corporation and have the funds to apply, but after listening to your podcast I have a few questions:

1) Do we need to set up a new bank account? Or just change the set up on our current accounts? We have a Paypal linked, Amazon Smile account, Cash for Our Cause through our bank.

2) Will this affect anything with our IRS account? We won’t have to re-apply for 501c3 status will we?

Thanks for your help!
Misty in Texas

 

Misty,

I hope some of my podcasts were helpful! Thanks for listening.

Bad news: You need a new EIN and must reapply for tax exempt status

If your organization now wishes to become a nonprofit corporation (and I highly recommend it), you will have to get a new Employer Identification Number (EIN) and re-apply for 501(c)(3) tax exempt status in the name of your new corporation with its new EIN.

When you create a corporation, it is a new legal entity. So the IRS wants you to get a new EIN and makes you go through the 501(c)(3) application process again. Bummer.

Here’s a recent blog post on that issue: http://homeschoolcpa.com/incorporated-in-your-state-time-for-a-new-ein/

Good News: It’s easier to apply for 501(c)(3) status

Fortunately, the IRS does have a new short application for 501(c)(3) status, Form 1023-EZ. I have assisted about 25 nonprofit organizations get tax exempt status the new Form 1023-EZ. Some have received their tax exempt status in 10 days. That’s much faster than the 3 to 13 months in the past! Contact me if you’d like my help in applying (or reapplying) for tax exempt status.

The bank should make you open a new bank account with the new EIN. Paypal, Amazon Smile, etc. probably don’t care about your new corporate status, but you will need to re-connect them to your new bank account.

Carol Topp, CPA

Incorporated in your state? Time for a new EIN!

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I just updated my article on “Getting an EIN from the IRS”  (on my Articles page) because my original article neglected to mention that your organization needs a new EIN after you incorporate as a nonprofit corporation in your state.

Here’s what I added:

If your group became a nonprofit corporation in your state, then you need a new EIN from the IRS in the name of the new corporation. A corporation is a new legal entity and you need a new EIN to match it. Use the same name as you used when incorporating. Look on the certificate you received from your state for your official legal name.

Read the full, updated article here: Getting and EIN from the IRS 

 

Cover Money Mgmt HS OrgIf you have questions about applying for an EIN or the Form SS-4, read the chapter on “Checking Accounts Done Right” in my book Money Management in a Homeschool Organization

 

If you have questions about setting up or running your homeschool organization, visit HomeschoolCPA.com or consider a private phone consultation with me.

 

 

Create a board binder of important papers for your homeschool organization

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I was helping a homeschool leader apply for 501(c)(3) tax exempt status for her homeschool co-op when she mentioned that she had created a binder of important papers. That’s an excellent idea!

I suggested she create three binders and share them with her board members, especially:

  • The secretary who is the keeper of the paperwork for the organization
  • The treasurer who is responsible for the annual reporting to the IRS and their state.
  • The board president whose job it is to make sure everyone else is doing their jobs.

All the board members are responsible for management of the nonprofit and compliance with nonprofit laws. Having a binder of important papers that leaders can to pass down future leaders will make sure the organization is managed well and in compliance with all its reporting obligations.

Here’s what to put in your homeschool organization binders:

  • Employer Identification Number (EIN) letter from the IRS.
  • Articles of Incorporation from your state. This should be the official certified copy with a date stamp proving that your Articles of Incorporation were filed with your Secretary of State.
  • Bylaws. Date them so you have the most recent copy.
  • IRS 501(c)(3) determination letter.
  • IRS Annual Information Returns, the Form 990N, 990-EZ or full 990s
  • IRS Form 8822-B to change the contact name associated with your EIN or to change your address
  • Any state annual reports you file. (If you don’t know what reports you need to file with the state, contact me and I can help.)
  • Helpful articles from HomeschoolCPA.com
  • Books by Carol Topp, CPA especially Money Management in a Homeschool Organization
  • HomeschoolCPA.com website.

 

I highly recommend that you laminate or protect in plastic sheets these important documents.

Pass these binders down to the leaders who succeed you!

I’ve created a template for a board binder that you can purchase and create binders for your entire board.

Read more about the Homeschool Organization Board Manual template.

Carol Topp, CPA

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How to get added to the IRS database and file the Form 990N

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Carol,
We’re a newly organized homeschool support group. Is there anything we need to do with the IRS to establish ourselves as a 501c7 social club, or do we just need to get our EIN and start filing the 990N?

Thanks again! I really appreciate your help. 🙂

Melissa

 

After you get your EIN (Employer Identification Number), you won’t be able to file the 990-Ns just yet.

Self declare tax exempt status

Since you have not applied on paper for 501(c)(7) status  (you can “self declare” 501c7 status and don’t have to file the paperwork), you are not in the IRS database (yet), so you need to call the IRS Customer Account Services at 1-877-829-5500 and be added to their database so you can begin filing the Form 990Ns.

It typically takes 6 weeks after you call to be added to the IRS database.

Tips when calling the IRS

Say something like this,

“We’re a brand new 501c7 Social Club and my CPA said I needed to get added to the IRS exempt organization database, so we could start filing the 990-Ns.”


If you’re a homeschool educational program (co-op, etc)

Or if your homeschool group has an educational purpose, you’re most likely a 501c3 tax exempt organization. Read about the difference between 501c7 Social clubs and 501c3 organizations. In that case, you’ll say:

“We’re a brand new 501c3 educational organization and my CPA said I needed to get added to the IRS exempt organization database so we could start filing our 990-Ns.”

**Note that only 501c3 organizations with less than $5,000 annual gross revenues can “self-declare” their tax exempt status. 501c3s with more than $5,000/year in revenues must apply for 501c3 status using Form 1023 or the new, shorter Form 1023-EZ.


They will ask for your EIN and organization’s name, address, and probably a contact name.

They may also ask what date your fiscal year ends. Many support groups operate on a calendar year, but some operate on a school year with a year end of June 30 or July 31. Look at the form you filed when you applied for your EIN to see what you chose as your fiscal year end.

They may ask if you have “organizing documents.” They mean bylaws or Articles of Association (or Articles of Incorporation). So tell them if you have bylaws or Articles of Association/Articles of Incorporation. Samples can be found here.

Finally, if they tell you you must file a Form 1024 to obtain 501(c)(7) tax exempt status, tell them (with confidence) your CPA informed you that you can “self declare” tax exempt status as a social club and do not have to file the Form 1024.

Call the IRS early in the morning. They open at 8 am ET and you can usually get through pretty quickly of you call then, Record the date you call, the IRS employee name and their identification number.

Don’t forget to the the 990-N every year!

Be sure you go online to file the Form 990-N anytime after your fiscal year ends and before its due date which is 4 1/2 months after the end of your fiscal year. So if you operate on a calendar year, the 990-N is due May 15.

Have more questions about your homeschool organization’s tax exempt status? My book, The IRS and Your Homeschool Organization would be a big help.

Carol Topp, CPA

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